What is PEDsR?

Originating as an off-shoot of the popular subreddit /r/PEDs, PEDsR aims to gather data and improve the level of understanding for those interested in performance enhancement. PEDsR stands for Performance Enhancing Drugs Research, though not all performance enhancement covered is via drugs, and the more generic term 'compound' is often used.

Why does PEDsR exist?

PEDs have been around since the 30's in some form or another. Yet the information available to the average athlete is spotty at best, with anecdotes and broscience seemingly more available than actual science. Finding the data, and then providing this in an easy to digest format for the brommunity is the ultimate goal.

What are PEDs?

Performance-enhancing drugs are substances that are used to improve any form of activity performance in humans. Athletic performance-enhancing substances are sometimes referred to as ergogenic aids. Cognitive performance-enhancing drugs, commonly called nootropics, used by students to improve academic performance.

Within athletic enhancement, we commonly look at steroids, selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) and aromatase inhibitors (AIs), and selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) however increasingly emerging supplements such as triphala and artemisia iwayomogi are being covered.

Should I do PEDs?

PEDs in sports are illegal. AAS are illegal in general, and SARMs are not legal for human consumption outside of research though I don't think you're likely to go to jail over them. PEDs carry risk, both legal and to your health. A profile of a PED user should be that you're willing to carry these risks, have stopped growing (25+) and have been working out consistently for a couple of years already. Beyond that it's up to you.

Should I do PEDs as a woman?

As above, but also consider the virilization of PEDs. There are some PEDs where the risk of virilization is considered to be too high and are not suitable for women. That said, both data on virilization is not easy to come by to categorically determine the safety of a PED for women, and your own reaction to PEDs may be different to others. There is a list of PEDs here which subjectively lists which compounds are 'safe' for women, and which are not: https://www.pedsr.com/peds-db

I am <25, and considering a cycle. Many people seem to advise against it. Why?

Testosterone causes premature closing of growth plates at high doses. But outside of that, there is little data and a lot of speculation on impact of PEDs on immature athletes.

The one thing is that PEDs can be a life altering decision. Be sure this is the life you want. Once you start, you're unlikely to stop.

Should I PCT after a SARMs only cycle?

No. Data shows it's not necessary. While it has been a consensus to use PCT for SARMs in the past, a more rigorous approach is showing that it is not necessary on standard SARM only cycles.

Should I PCT after using AAS?



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If you're on AAS, you should be running an AI to reduce aromatization. If you're on SARMs only, an AI is not necessary, and gyno is fortunately rare, and would be caused by test falling while estrogen stays the same. We cover the causes here

It's easy to think that every small itch or minor change is negative, both regarding gyno and just in general. In reality, you're just a little more anxious about... well, everything, and you're fine.

Should I stack SARMs in my first cycle?

Putting aside the fact that there is limited receptor space, and that stacks compete for the same receptors, a first time cycle should keep it simple. You don't know how your body will react to it. There are common and uncommon side effects with PEDs, and that includes SARM only cycles. By combining compounds, you're straying away from the scientific method, where you test a single variable. For example, you run a cycle of both LGD4033 and MK677. You feel lethargic, have cramps, and flu like symptoms. Which compound caused it? You don't really know. Start with a single compound, add in others later.

What would an example of a PCT cycle look like?

TL:DR Nolva 20/10, Clomid 25/12.5, Torem 60/30. A more conventional PCT length would be across 4 weeks instead of 2, and be Nolva 20/20/10/10, Clomid 25/25/12.5/12.5, Torem 60/60/30/30.

Should I use a test booster?

There is money to be made in the supplement industry and many false promises. Unless you can easily identify the products in a test booster as being proven to be effective avoid these products. Generally speaking, these products have a high price tag and are not very (if at all) effective/efficient.

What OTC supplements should I buy?

Like it says above, a lot of money and false promises in the supp industry. You can buy any supplement you like, just keep in mind that there is no supplement more effective than pharma grade drugs.

You may wish to consider B6 for prolactin control when on tren

What is the right dose for LGD4033/VK5211?

No more than 10mg, and probably closer to 5mg

My SARMs taste like shit.

Normal, suspension tastes awful. You can take it as a powder if you so choose to do so, but will require a milligram scale. It's a PITA to measure out tiny amounts every day, and such scales are accurate to 3mg or greater. If you're running 5mg of LGD, being 3mg either way is kind of a big deal - hence why people suspend. More on how to suspend here.

I think I am suppressed. Help?

Please get a blood test covering both free & total T, FSH and LH either from your doctor or a private lab. In the US, this you can get a Hormone Panel with F&T Testosterone LC/MS-MS from privatemdlabs.com, for a $105; https://www.privatemdlabs.com/lab_tests.php?view=all&show=2418&category=14&search=#2418.

If your test is low, but your LH is within range your test will return to normal without use of a SERM. If your LH is low, follow a 4 week protocol with either Nolva or Clomid. For dealing with HPTA shutdown, refer to https://www.reddit.com/r/PEDsR/comments/80mf58/hpta_shutdown_fact_or_fiction/

What else should I consider?

Blood tests provide data that is actionable. It's best practice to get a blood test immediately prior to starting a cycle that measures your baseline test. Blood tests will provide a baseline that future data can be compared against to measure change, and are often the best indicator of health. The blood test linked to above is recommended for baseline test.

If the cost of a blood test (~$100) is too much for you to do twice in an 8-12 week period, it's OK to postpone your cycle - this is a marathon, not a sprint. Don't cheap out on monitoring your health. At the end of your cycle, we ask that folks willingly share their blood results - it helps everyone. You can post your results here too, which /u/comicsansisunderused is collecting to do a meta analysis: https://goo.gl/forms/boN2W9LSxRPlJBfU2

Keep an eye on your blood pressure during cycle.


Most PEDs will cause blood pressure to rise, if for no other reason than increases in body weight tend to do that.

List of compounds to help keep blood pressure in check:

  1. Eat yo' bananas. Potassium reverses increases in renin seen due to high sodium diets or diets lacking potassium. AAS and high carb diets causes significant sodium retention. Potassium is required to deliver water into cells (along with nutrients), but sodium pulls water out.
  2. Magnesium
  3. Vitamin K2 (mk7)
  4. Nebivolol
  5. Telmisartan

How much protein do I need on cycle?

'Need' is established at 0.82g/lb. However, that may not be optimal depending on your goals. Suffice to say, there is no upper limit. Want to eat 2g/lb of protein? Go for it.

What is the minimum cost of a PED cycle?

Roughly, $300 all in between blood tests (2 x $100), SARM ($50), Nolvadex ($30). Note that the nolva is not strictly necessary, but is a 'just in case' you receive pro-hormone, dbol, etc.

Where can I find doses for each compound, detection times, list of potential side effects?


What is more effective, liquid SARMs or powder SARMs?

It's not really going to matter. Some compounds have poor bioavailability, but for the more common PEDs such as LGD4033, Ostarine etc. we suspend for convenience and accuracy of measurements

I have a powder. How can I turn it into a liquid?


This FAQ will be updated as common topics change and the data we have available to us improves. Version control: last update June 24th, 2018